The following interview with Katharina Wilson, the author of the first-person abduction account "The Alien Jigsaw" (Puzzle Publishing, 1993), was conducted in the summer of 1995. Portions of it appeared in the September 1995 issue of "The MUFON UFO Journal," but we offer you here (exclusively!) the complete text of the original interview.

Katharina Wilson is an intelligent and eloquent voice in the alien abduction field whose self-published book deserves to be read by everyone interested in the phenomenon. And the truth Wilson tells often deviates from "the standard model of abduction" in ways that many readers have come to recognize as something they share with her. If you read the following interview and see something of yourself in it, you are most certainly not alone.

Q. Have you had any new experiences since the publication of your book that you wish to talk about?

Wilson: "The Alien Jigsaw" covers the first 32 years of my life and ends in December of 1992. In my "Researcher's Supplement," I shared with my readers that I documented thirty abduction experiences in 1993. My journal shows fourteen experiences for 1994. I resisted documenting my experiences that year because I was trying to force the Beings to interact with me on my terms. I was angry and frustrated with them for using me so long for psychological and physical "experiments." I tried to stay angry with them, and my not writing as often was a form of passive resistance.

Out of the fourteen experiences I did document, three involved visions and one involved a Being teaching me about time and dimension. The Being was acting as a "Guide" and I shown that other times and other dimensions really exist. The "Guide" showed me that not all, but some people actually exist in more than one dimension and in more than one time.

As of July, 1995, I've had fifteen visitations and my experiences are definitely changed. For example, I'm not being used as much in a psychological and physical sense, although those types of experiences occasionally do occur. I have also received more information about time and other dimensions. I experienced three visions (two in a dream state and one during a waking state), plus a new phenomenon: two "messages."

Information about other dimensions: A "Guide" being allowed me to look through a clear emerald cut crystal that was actually a "door" to another dimension. When I looked, I saw myself. I saw another Katharina. I had long hair and I was wearing a purple shirt and a black skirt. What disturbed me the most, however, was that I was an organizer of a conference about the UFO phenomenon. My first thought was, "Oh, my God, I'm involved in the UFO phenomenon also! Am I ever going to get away from this?"

About the messages: The messages are quite new for me. We all wonder about people who claim to hear voices inside their head. The messages I've received are not like that at all. It simply sounds as if there is a person standing in the room with me whom I cannot see, but can hear. Both times I swung my head around to look in the direction from which I heard the voice, but no one was there. That's the difference, the voice came from a specific location in the room. It was not a voice "inside my head." In general, my experiences during 1995 have brought more information about time and other dimensions.

Over all, 1995, covers everything from my "normal" type of experience that I documented in "TAJ," to include being told the following: (1) [message #1] "Kaluza Klein . . . a pocket of time sped up . . . set in motion certain events . . . nothing we can do . . ." (2) [message #2] "Bring the light to Portland," (3) [vision of humanity] "You are not connected to humanity."

And finally, during some of my experiences I seem to be learning how to teleport myself and to use my thoughts to "move myself through other spaces."

Like many abductees, I feel a great weight upon me, as if I am preparing for an important event to take place. I also feel as if I am, in part, responsible for something very important. I want to make it very clear that I do not feel "special," because of my experiences. Quite the contrary, I feel an enormous burden because of these experiences, and rather than feeling I've been "chosen," I feel as if it is my duty or my assignment to help educate people about this phenomenon.

Q. Have you experienced any new "teaching dreams" or visions that you wish to talk about?

Wilson: In December 1994, I had a vision while in a dream state. It was of an asteroid hitting our neighborhood. Miraculously, only six people were killed. Unfortunately, I wasn't given any indication of when this would occur.

In early 1995, I had a vision of a nuclear war that I documented in an unpublished paper titled "Curious Correlations." It is about how my abduction experiences correlate with an NDE book I read this year. [I had the vision prior to reading the NDE book.] The vision show that China would attack both Russia and the United States with nuclear weapons. They will be carried by red (high performance) jets belonging to the Chinese military. Nuclear weapons and oil are going to be the main "tools" of this war.

How do I feel about visions such as these? First, I have no idea why I'm receiving information such as this, unless I am supposed to share it with others. It does me no personal good to have to live with this knowledge, if that is indeed what it is. Second, I don't want anything like this to occur, and my life isn't so boring that I would create something like this to make it more interesting. As to the "reality" of these visions, I can only describe them as being absolutely "powerful." When you are seeing these events unfold before you, at that moment, you have no choice but to believe them.

In the past, I have had visions that are of a personal nature and many of these came to pass. However, I have no idea if these new visions will actually occur. I realize this information can really stretch the imagination, but one possible explanation for these "visions" is: If we exist in other dimensions, what we are seeing may be real. Perhaps the information is "spilling over" to those people who exist simultaneously in different dimensions.

Q. Any increase in your psychic abilities?

Wilson: I've always had what I call intuition, but I believe I inherited it from my mother. I want to make it clear that I do not believe I am psychic. During the late 1980s, I participated in a PSI experiment for an Operant Behavior Psychology class and I only scored slightly above chance.

Having stated that, sometimes during a dream state, I will "see" someone receiving a letter I recently sent to them. I will also have dreams showing me that certain events are going to happen, but this information is usually of a personal nature.

Again during a dream state, I receive information about other people. It usually manifests in short precise imagery and in the form of a mild warning. And finally, there are times when I feel I'm a little empathetic because I can stand near certain people and feel their feelings (or energy, as some people like to call it). I believe this occurs because there is a give-and-take of energy back and forth between people all the time. My guess is that most people do not even realize this is occurring. Some people are simply more sensitive than others, so it's not really a matter of being psychic.

Q. Do you view these abilities as unwanted, or do you find them helpful?

Wilson: I find my intuition helpful, but my ability to somehow feel what other people are feeling, especially when it is directed toward me, is difficult to deal with sometimes. Several times I have been in close proximity to the same person, and each time I immediately came down with a severe migraine headache. The last time I actually had an opportunity to hug this person (to congratulate them on their wedding) and immediately the room went all "wavy." An hour later I was throwing up and sick with another migraine. Need less to say, I now engage in "avoidance behavior" where she is concerned. (This is a highly subjective and personal experience, but I have been able to document five instances where this occurred with this particular person).

On a more positive note, I had an experience in June of 1995 involving Betty Andreasson Luca. A Being told me that they had to remove me from Earth for one year. (Quite a statement.) I was then with Betty and a humanoid male who had mottled skin. From my journal: "Betty and this male are telling me that I'm in training to become more telepathic. I'm practicing now. I have to turn my back to them and try to pick up their thoughts. Betty is encouraging me with a calm and caring voice . . . Now I'm feeling a very warm sensation in my upper back where I have that uneven spacing between my 3rd and 4th vertebrate. The feeling is quite warm and somehow-according to Betty-this has something to do with my telepathic abilities.

[I haven't contacted Betty about this, but I plan to. It certainly has made me reconsider what may be going on in relation to the migraine headaches and the abnormality between my 3rd and 4th vertebrate.]

Q. Your book is partially based on the idea that all experiences should be looked at, not just the ones that fit the standard abduction scenario. Do you still feel this is true?

Wilson: Yes, I still feel strongly about this. I agree that a lot of aliens are engaging in what is becoming known as the alien-human hybridization program. I also take every opportunity I can to thank Budd Hopkins for his dedication and courage. The information he published in "Missing Time" and "Intruders" has helped thousands of people. A lot of us would not be where we are today without his help.

We are both many other things, but on a very basic level, Budd is a researcher and I'm an abductee. When you've experienced teaching dreams, visions, alien theatrics and shades of government involvement, you need to know that you are not alone. I've had many, many people tell me "thank you" for writing about those types of experiences. I know first-hand how important that information is. For me, it has put the abduction phenomenon in an entire new light. As I stated recently at the MUFON symposium, "The hybridization program is very real, but it is only the tip of the iceberg."

This phenomenon is so large that no one researcher is going to be able to view the whole process. It is going to take a lot of different researchers, each with a different focus, to pull all of this information together. One of the few healthy things about the abduction phenomenon is that we're not all focusing on one aspect of it.

Q. What portions of the standard scenario have you experienced?

Wilson: I've had sightings of unusually shaped aerial craft (UFOs if you will). I've also experienced the following abductions related events: (1) missing time, (2) the sudden appearance of unusual scars, (3) feelings of paralysis, (4) detecting a presence in my room at night and during the day, (5) floating or flying without knowing why or how, and (6) medical examinations involving: skin scrapings, hair clippings, and gynecological exams. I've also experienced alien surgical procedures, such as laparoscopic procedures (possible removal of ova), a heart operation, the insertion of rods into my joints, and the insertion of memory stimulating devices.

Q. Based on your current knowledge as imparted to you by the aliens, what are your feelings about the world's immediate future?

Wilson: Perhaps I can answer this by talking about my childhood.

My father traveled extensively to South America and Central America, and each time he would come home, our family would view the slides he made from his trip. I learned about the depletion of the rain forests almost thirty years ago. By the age of ten, I was already an environmentalist. One of the things that really stuck in my mind was the fact that the indigenous people referred to the American lumber workers as Termites: they had pale, white skin and they would go into the forest and strip it clean, just like a termite does wood.

Our future looks bleak because for the past fifty years we have been poisoning and destroying our planet. It's plain and simple to me. Our "mothers and fathers" throughout the world didn't hold their governments and leaders accountable, and now their sons and daughters are not holding their governments and leaders accountable.

My view of the future is of a pendulum that swings between evolution and de-evolution. One day another asteroid will hit the planet and the world will start over. It's happened in the past and it will happen again. What I find sad is the fact that, between these catastrophes, human beings have to cause so much pain and suffering to all of the other forms of life with whom we share our planet. That aspect of humanity is inconceivable to me. If the aliens are here trying to rid us of our evil ways for the sake of the environment as we often hear, then they are fifty years too late.

Q. What about the future in the long run?

Wilson: I find it ironic that I had a visitation the night before this interview (7-17-95). I was given a vision of "humanity." "Humanity" was standing in line inside a mall at a burger joint, content with their minimum wage jobs. They weren't striving for anything more in life. They weren't trying to educate themselves. They weren't trying to make a positive difference. They were satisfied.

A short, pudgy female Being with dark skin and "funny looking glasses" was standing next to me. She was telepathically tuning in to my thoughts and feelings. I said to her, "I can't believe they are satisfied with this. Eating animals and existing to work . . . it's unacceptable!"

The pudgy female telepathically replied matter-of-factly, "They are receptacles."

With these three words, her thoughts poured into my mind. In an instant she told me that what I was calling "unacceptable" was all that these people's souls were capable of experiencing. I also felt her say something about their future; that their future and my future would be very different. I wasn't a part of them-I wasn't connected to humanity.

Information provided to me by other abductees in Portland seems to point toward a future mission for the hybrid children. In June, a woman named Doreen was shown a group of hybrid children and was told they were being taken to another planet. In order to get there, they would have to be placed in suspended animation, off and on for about 40 years. This woman was shown her child, whom she lost in a mysterious "missing pregnancy" five years earlier. She was told to establish a strong emotional bond with her child because she would be seeing her again.

Another abductee and I were having a conversation one day (this year) and I mentioned that I was reading the book "Hyperspace." Her name is Kendra. When Kendra asked me what the book was about I had to use the word "dimension," since it was in its subtitle. Kendra told me that she didn't know how many dimensions we lived in, but that she recently had a visit during which a Being mentioned something about "dimensions." I asked her to elaborate and she said, "During a completely conscious state, I was told by a hybrid female, 'Our fifth dimensional world is going to merge and co-exist with your fourth-dimensional world.'" Kendra was also told that they hybrid children are all part of this merging process and that it will take place in the near future. After Kendra and I talked for a while, Kendra replied, "Katharina, I never thought that anything the aliens would ever say to me would be considered important or interesting."

[Shortly after our conversation I received Kendra's written account in the mail and I shared her experience in an article I wrote for "UNICUS."]

Kendra, Doreen and myself are abductees: we do not "channel," we have not even read channeled information, and our information was remembered consciously.

What does this mean? At the very least, once again, the aliens are telling us that something very big is going to happen and they seem to want us to feel that we are involved in this event. (1) The female told me that I'm not connected to humanity. (2) The hybrid children are going on a long trip, possibly to live on and repopulate another world, and at least one human mother is going to be able to visit her hybrid child, and (3) [Their] fifth dimensional world is going to merge and co-exist with [our] fourth dimensional world. Three very heavy statements indeed.

Q. You say in your book that you were brought up in the church and went through your own "born again" period.

Wilson: Human beings' perception of spirituality escapes me. From what I've seen in my life, spirituality and religion have nothing to do with one another. Being a "born again" Christian did nothing for my spirituality. The people I've come to know within the various religious communities have never lived what they preached. It didn't matter if they were Baptist, Lutheran or Mormon.

Q. What are your current feelings about the spiritual implications of the abduction experience?

Wilson: If spirituality can be equated to the evolution of the soul, then I guess you can say that there are some spiritual implications to the abduction phenomenon. Whether people believe I was chosen by the aliens because of my beliefs, or whether my beliefs grew out of my abduction experiences doesn't matter to me anymore. I wasn't consciously "aware" of my abduction experiences per se, until after I became a vegetarian, which is a very spiritual thing for me. It's impossible for me to view humans as more important than the other animals who inhabit this planet. It's as ridiculous as believing the Earth is the center of the solar system.

Perhaps what I'm talking about here is a paradigm shift. My view of Homo Sapiens' place in the world changed rather abruptly one day. I was eating a steak and instead of seeing a piece of meat, I suddenly saw a sentient, social being staring back at me. It was another animal, not merely another "commodity."

Paradigm shifts are something that abductees, and anyone else who ever hopes to understand what is occurring here, will have to face. There's someone out there who's definitely smarter than you and mentally stronger than you, and it's not God or Satan. You'll have to accept the fact that the control you thought you had over your little world is an illusion. After you finally understand that, you'll begin to look at the world very differently. Getting back to the evolution of the soul-they say we grow and learn from adversity. My soul has been through so much, I can't help but believe this phenomenon has left its indelible mark on it.

Q. Is your understanding of military involvement in you and your husband's abductions any more clear?

Wilson: I believe we have to consider at least four possibilities: (1) The aliens and possibly a shadow government are interacting with one another and with abductees, (2) The military personnel we sometimes see have themselves been abducted, (3) The aliens are using camouflage and screen memories to show us that our government is involved, or (4) The aliens want to deceive us into believing our government is involved.

I hope we find out that the aliens are simply playing mind games with us or that these military people have been abducted themselves. It would be terrible to discover that any country's government is still experimenting on people without their consent, and worse yet, is participating in some part of the abduction phenomenon. As it stands today, all we have are reports from abductees, declassified human experimentation documents, and a scientific community aimed at completing the human genome project. It you put these three events together they paint a very unpleasant picture. It is, however, important to bear in mind that the "whole" is usually quite different from the sum of its parts. I hope we find that we are wrong about this aspect of the phenomenon.

Q. Has this kind of abduction experience persisted for both of you?

Wilson: Yes, but my husband and I are very careful not to overemphasize those accounts. It's very important to present the information in the context in which it occurred and let the people make up their own mind. I would never want anyone to believe what I'm saying simply because I'm standing in front of a microphone or because I've written a book. People must continually read and educate themselves, not only about the abduction phenomenon, but about how our government operates as well. For all we know, this aspect of the phenomenon could be a form of manipulation by "some" of the aliens.

I would like to add that I'm astonished by the hype that is given to this aspect of the phenomenon on the lecture circuit. "Some" of the conference promoters and "some" abductees as well, overemphasize the military/government involvement. Sometimes you'd think that it's not the aliens who are abducting us at all, it's the government! I find that not only unprofessional, but very frightening. As abductees, we have a responsibility to accurately report our experiences, especially since those conferences are open to the public. If you can't present your information in a logical and calm manner, then maybe you shouldn't be speaking to the public about your experiences. You can't blame every little anomaly that occurs in your life on the government and the aliens. I've seen a small number of abductees do just that, and the public is getting a very mixed message about "all" abductees because of the "few" who are doing this. There is something to be said about the phrase, "perpetuating paranoia." We have a very long way to go until we really know how much our government is involved in abductions, if at all.

Q. Is there anything you wish to add?

Wilson: Yes. I wish to address the issue involving the bright yellow light and the effect it had on my music abilities. This question came up several times recently at the MUFON symposium. After I arrived back home, I came to the conclusion that I didn't answer the question very well because I couldn't.

Throughout the symposium, several musicians asked me, "Exactly what occurred to make you lose your ability to play music?" and, "Could something like that happen to me?" I realized many of these people were genuinely frightened for themselves, and also very concerned for me. Unless you are a musician or an artist, you probably don't understand the importance of those questions.

Music was all I ever wanted and all I ever knew. Before the event with the yellow light occurred, there was never a time in my life during which I wondered, "What am I going to do in life?" I always knew what I was going to do: I was a musician.

Exactly what happened? I watched a light move around the wall and ceiling in my bedroom and felt terror. The next morning I was dead inside. I had no desire to play music anymore. I was, for all purposes, a broken human being.

Yes, I could still play "mechanically," but the inner creative spark, that "drive" all artists have to "create," was gone. Had I been a painter or a sculptor, I don't think I could have fooled my professors. I was very good at the mechanics of playing. Expression and creativity are something else altogether-you either have them or you don't. Two out of the three pieces I chose for my final recital were extremely technical, and I got away with it.

The physical pain from the migraine headaches was something else. I will never know how I ever managed to keep practicing with that kind of pain. The migraines began when I was eighteen. They just started "out of the blue," and like most people, I was rushed to the hospital believing I had a brain tumor.

I kept playing my music (clarinet, flute and saxophone) even though I had a headache for four years straight. The "headache" would flare up into migraines periodically. After the yellow light event, I would get a migraine every time I would play. I have given these events a lot of thought over the years and I have reached this conclusion: It seems to me that "someone" did not want me to be a musician.

This year I found out that I have an abnormality in my spinal cord (with my 3rd and 4th vertebrate). My doctor believes this is what is causing the migraine headaches. I believed it for awhile, but not anymore. After all of the diagnostic tests and visits to the doctor were completed, I had a visitation.

I was standing in my office looking at a hybrid male Being. I've seen him three times this year, but I don't remember ever seeing him prior to this year. He looked at me and with a sideways look and a cocky grin on his face and said, "You're going to be so surprised when you find out why you're getting migraine headaches."

I stood in my office with my mouth hanging opens, staring at him and thinking, "But I thought I already had?" That's where the encounter ended.

I'm beginning to think these Beings always had intentions for me to be doing what I'm doing today: acting as a kind of spokesperson and educator for this "phenomenon," whatever it turns out to be. Losing my music career was a "redirection" of my life by the Beings. I doesn't do me any good to think, "What if?" This is my life now, and I have to be the best "spokesperson and educator" that I can possibly be.